Posts by Half banana

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"Belief" and "Faith" are Simply Emotional Terms for Ideas and Opinions (long post)

by xjwsrock in

this is my current bottom-line conclusion after starting to see through the jw game 3 to 4 years ago and going through my own process of waking up.

it helps to write it down and put it "out there".

i hope it helps or resonates with you in your own personal process.. basically if i were given 10 seconds to say something to an active jehovah's witness that i cared about it would be the headline above.

Half banana

Further to Steve's comment, Muggeridge was a vastly entertaining speaker and writer influenced by his long experience as a journalist and foreign correspondent... but... in later life had the fundamental defect of subordinating his world view to a rigid deism of the Catholic variety. It appeared to me to be a form of penance and atonement for earlier misdemeanours.

@exjwsrock, do bear in mind that the path of waking up (usually) travels from the closed and fixated religious JW mind to being a responsible free moral agent using reason and evidence for decision making instead of belief. It is like growing up. Many get snagged on the way by the familiar lure of the rewards of faith.

When people post who have exited, it is possible to see just where they are on this path and I think recognizing the folly of "faith" and "belief" is a necessary hurdle to jump in escaping the old mind-set.

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Convention

by Gorbatchov in

jw
friends

gorby is as you know a long time fader.. visited the convention this weekend.. and concluded that samuel herds talk about hope was not so bad at all, it was well balanced.

made some good points.. knowing both sides of the medallion, have to admit he was humble with a focus on hope.. the saturday drama impressed me.

of course, there is a lot to say about the organization, this professional produced movie in a "true story" scenario, gave me the insight that hope is important for suffering people.

Half banana

Just shows you can't trust the Bible and its interpreters.

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Convention

by Gorbatchov in

jw
friends

gorby is as you know a long time fader.. visited the convention this weekend.. and concluded that samuel herds talk about hope was not so bad at all, it was well balanced.

made some good points.. knowing both sides of the medallion, have to admit he was humble with a focus on hope.. the saturday drama impressed me.

of course, there is a lot to say about the organization, this professional produced movie in a "true story" scenario, gave me the insight that hope is important for suffering people.

Half banana

Now Gorby you know the warnings about bad association! But credit where credit is due.

All religion is about hope because there is little or no evidence of any reality connected to it except seeing the lives and activities of fellow believers. It sort of convinces the believer that hoping the same thing with others will make make it come true.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5180544467861504/orwellian-doomsday-cult-use-hope

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I need quotes from watctower demonizing the internet, and gadgets e.g smart phones, tablets etc

by joe134cd in

i need wt quotes where wt goes fully out and: .

demonizes the internet, .

witnesses preaching on the internet.

Half banana

The truly zealous pioneer will sell BOTH his kidneys to keep up to date with Jah's chariot.

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Paranormal Warning

by Cold Steel in

i've heard some weird stories coming from jws about the paranormal.

i know about the warnings about items that come from unbelievers -- those don't interest me as much.

what i am interested in are actual experiences in stories of the paranormal you've heard or experienced yourself.

Half banana

Everything we see or hear is mediated by our mysterious and fascinating brain. Our mind is capable of seeing the unseen and the unseeable...but it doesn't make it true.

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JW and the Sabbath

by Andromeda in

hello brothers and sisters and truth seekers,.

i am an active jehovah's witness.

i don't believe in 1914 and i'm tototally against their way of dealing with abuse cases.

Half banana

If you are over twelve years old and you still believe in Noah and a global flood... you have a lot of waking up and learning to do.

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JW and the Sabbath

by Andromeda in

hello brothers and sisters and truth seekers,.

i am an active jehovah's witness.

i don't believe in 1914 and i'm tototally against their way of dealing with abuse cases.

Half banana

It is infinitely better to know than to believe. Andromeda was chained to the rock of belief.

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Who was the founder of Jehovah's Witnesses? JW Org states it was not Russell

by ToesUp in

found this article in the about page on jw org.

i was a born in and was always taught charles taze russell was the founder.

guess i was wrong!

Half banana

If the JW religion continues as a wealthy cult by teaching "the perpetual imminence of Christ's return"... it will always be necessary to cut off its actual roots since its doctrines only have a short shelf life when they can be perceived as being remotely credible by the faithful. (One can only be astonished at the transparent fraud of the "overlapping generation" excuse!)

They have denounced Russell which really only leaves the unsavoury scoundrel JF Rutherford as the founder, the one who introduced the term Jehovah's Witnesses---having borrowed that term from others.

If this is God's organization I would think God must be desperate to choose this lot.

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Just Sent in My DA Letter!

by Thoughtless in

hey, this thread is nothing new so i don't wanna get too personal but i'm happy to announce that i am apart of the 33% club!!

i sent in my da letter this past wednesday (again actually, i sent it in the week before but i got hit with the old 'return to sender') and i sent the letter up to the hq instead.

i did courteously mark it as re: disassociation for whatever lackey got it, but i did request in the letter not be contacted.

Half banana

Well done thoughtless, but actually you sound more thoughtful to have the need to declare your departure from the cult.

I do suggest you make the best of your education... not only can it be a meal ticket for life but a satisfaction that you can know you are dealing with the real world and bringing reason to all you do...(unless you are studying frisbee decoration!)

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JW and the Sabbath

by Andromeda in

hello brothers and sisters and truth seekers,.

i am an active jehovah's witness.

i don't believe in 1914 and i'm tototally against their way of dealing with abuse cases.

Half banana

Welcome to the site and congratulations in having the courage to post here and think independently. I also enjoyed your last point!

I agree with Diogenesister to keep researching. Like you Andromeda, I never in my twenty five year run as a JW believed that the scriptures pinpointed 1914, it just did not gel. I also had to rationalise that the Biblical flood was just a story or world myth and not a factual event...it could not possibly have happened since there is not a trace of evidence for a global flood at that time or at anytime for that matter. And so it went on... yet Jesus believed in the flood but it could not have happened? Adam and eve are clearly mythical since according to scientific evidence Homo sapiens have been walking the Earth for at least one hundred and fifty thousand years having descended from yet earlier kinds of human.

So however much you read the Bible, neither can you nor anyone else make a coherent or watertight explanation of it all let alone making a case to keep one day a week holy.

So Andromeda, like your namesake, don't be tied to that terrible rock forever but get rescued by understanding that we are not bound to anything written in the Bible, both it and religion is a human practice devised to keep the superstitious under control.

Become yourself and learn the truth about "the truth".